we will never dance on the web together (paul pangaro)

when people are dancing, they are acting under a certain agreement they accept under this circumstance. webinterfaces are not developed under those agreements. maybe they fullfill certain agreements that play a role within the company who pays for the design, but seldom they consider the need of an indivdual visitor who ended up there, says paul pangaro - more or less.

links (audio/x-mpeg, 404 KB) paul pangaro about links and bankruptcy.

a link can mean this, a link can mean that, but it also means declaring semantic bankruptcy.

talked with paul pangaro. first time i got a business card with the line "voice of the developer" on it. he plays this role by sun.

Sun's Voice to the Developer initiative is the commitment to help move developers along the power curve from coders to architects; from responders to initiators; from business implementors to business creators.(coding for currency)

his life, he says, changed when gordon pask walked into the classroom at mit. for sure he likes efficiency. also he wants to see results and not just endless academic talks. the engineer side of him is still alive.
he gave me a paper that i was reading already completely wasted on my way home. i was the whole day in rooms this day, so when i came to this yellow page ...

sun is a living system of conversations.

sun needs to change

for sun to evolve effectively, it must understand the ways its costumers, developers, and competitors are evolving.

there was no way out anymore. i woke up, realizing that i was reading: notes on the role of leadership and language in regenerating organizations", based on conversations with michael geoghegan.

today at the end of his talk that based on a talk he gave 2002 on "ecological understanding II: design and conversation". he tributed two questions to von foerster as a - hm, how to call it - ¿in memoria birthday present (13.11)? one i can recall was: ¿can we create a machine, that doesn"t put us into a trivial machine?

have to look into things like autotopic: to merge someones own experience, pask's cybernetic machine musicolour and the soft architecture machine.

cyberneticen, conversation theory. similar thoughts on hyptertext as ted nelson

1928 - 1996 soldered machines into behaving like learning organisms, and developed a comprehensive theory of human cognition ...

... he specified a (still unused) logic for representing individual knowledge in a global repository. Conversation Theory, of which he was primary driver and author, defines the conditions required for agreement and delineates an architecture in which understanding can occur. He warned about confusing mere "communication" (exchanging messages containing what is already known) with "conversation" (a generative activity that gives identity to participants and leads to what is new). Pask's was a prolific voice in the development of "second-order" cybernetics, where the subjectivity of the observer is a critical element in the describing processes of science. He was serious about making "a theory of everything." Although he mirrored the structure of great scientific theories, his content was unique; for example, insisting that what is conserved in conversation is consciousness - that which is shared among the participants. To put it another way, nothing that has ever been thought is fully lost.

or put it still into another way: meme (again and again and again.oh well)