motz
dilluns, 28. d’abril 2003

aha

malmoe is out there trying to tell the whole story about weblogs: weblogs - was sie sind und was sie können ( via p3k: thanks for putting the original out)

'Weblogs sind mit Sicherheit die boomende Netzanwendung der letzten zwei Jahre gewesen.'
'sie sind's gewesen': why is it over and what comes next??? would be an interesting question, but no answer.
'"Die für mich sowieso interessantere Community in Sachen Antville ist die der Entwickler.“ (tobi) Womit relevante Fragen wie nach den Nutzungsmöglichkeiten und den kommunikativen Chancen und Gefahren von dieser Seite der Vernachlässigung preisgegeben werden.'
what does he want? easy to use, but no ego for the developer?? the 'chicken and egg' game doesn't always work out. i think .. ja, chris pointed to an article: 'Currently the theoreticians are more excited about internal blogging systems than are the people who actually have to implement them.'

it has to be said again and again: the ease of use of antville is not something that is given naturally, but it can be taken freely. there is a difference. wake up out there.

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thanks, chap ;)

it struck me at the same line ("preisgegeben"). and i would be really curious how the author could elaborate this strange idea.

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*g*

to chap: i am not a developer, beside of that i don't think there is anything to give "preis".
to the author: i don't know this book he was reading and mentioning in his article. who knows what is in there besides the strange quotes. anyhow the notion "it's business" is still strong out there. ( see malmoe and burg) even after the burst of the old century bubble, and how many years of open source?, free software, open systems and whatsoever? if they are going on with this notion they will pretty soon say: it was all about business and wonder again, why they didn't earn a dime.

i am listening do an interview where someone explains how the crap of modern architects made it to be excepted even today. oh well, nice analogy somehow.

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also related: transparent weblog: "Weltfremde Träumer versus Geld scheffelnde Realos? Diese Polarisierung beruht anscheinend auf dem derzeit um sich greifenden Fatalismus, der sich mit der neoliberalen Weltsicht abfindet. Jedenfalls fällt dabei unter den Tisch, daß gerade die Überhöhung der Technologien (die auf eine Zeit zurück geht, als das Web noch weitgehend Männersache war) oft mit einem Ausblenden von gesellschaftlichen Fragen, von unterschiedlichen Zugängen zum Web einher geht. Das ist aber nicht zwingend - es sollte doch noch möglich sein, über das Internet als sozialen Raum nachzudenken. (Gerade wenn man Konferenzen über Weblogs abhält....)"

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Hmmm

I have learned for myself that lamenting about lacking recognition as a developer is a very big mistake to make. Yes, it's true that the allocation of social rewards is often unfair. Antville is hit twice as hard because

  1. development is shadowed by its highly demanded hosting (do not expect too much understanding/recognition from end users, but of course be thankful when you get it!)
  2. it doesn't exactly present itself as a typical open source development project to interested parties

But as soon as you start lamenting, you're on a downward spiral. You'll have a negative feedback circuit that can kill off a project pretty fast.

My rule of thumb is that positive feedback and recognition should never be more than the icing on the motivational cake. The most important ingredient for that cake is simply to really really want it. Without that, everything becomes drudgery after some initial drive.

So we'd rather focus on what we can do to improve things. One sure thing is that we need a proper project web site and probably a mailing list or two, and it should most probably not be located with all the weblogs hosted on antville.org. Let's see if we can get it done!

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i don't agree

it's a question of perception: i wasn't thinking about an obviously absurd scenario that someone has to praise a developer over and over again. nope. In this case i also can't identify a lack of recognition: he was asked, the application is used, it is not identified as bad, it seems it fulfills some needs, its usable, ... that's more recognition than you can't even expect in some other areas.
what strikes me is that it is still not understood when someone is frankly stating: hey, i am interested in the development of this tool. punto. that's in my opinion a honest statement and far from fishing for gratitude. but it seems, after all that years - since when are computers around? - that the author of this article doesn't even try to understand that the development of a piece of software has its challenge. by frankly saying my interest lies in the field of development tobi got the reply that he is ignoring a chance and danger of communication. to translate this makes it even more wired - äh: weird.
so the chance he is missing - when i understand the article right - lies in ignoring a business opportunity. shame on him. and there is some kind of unidentified danger ¿? the interest of the article is somehow far away from the questions tobi had to answer and for me an example, that someone is simply pretending to report about and be interested in technology. the developer simply plays the role of an alien in the whole story and i believe nowadays that should be kind of a strange role. i mean marketing and business people had their chance and failed.

sure there are still parts missing in antville, as you pointed out, but if it would have been written as bad and weird as this article, i wonder if someone would be interested in using it.

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chapeau, mme motz!

the general issue behind this is that some journalists are not even slightly interested in their work. thus, they often leave their job to their interview partners. and simply ask the wrong questions. it's up to the interviewee to put these questions straight to give at least some meaningful answers (determined by the time one has to fill in the gaps and probably the moon phase).

and in the end this is not even enough for an adequate result. so it seems the journalistic accomplishment lies in persisting on an initial lack of knowledge. or as dogbert would say: "you do not need experience if you got attitude" (thanks, slauti).

if i had some dignity mixed with the right portion of arrogance i should have refused the interview just at the point where he asks "what are weblogs" or at least when suddenly a private weblog is mixed up with a strange question about lack of adminstrative presence (and now for something completely different – and totally weird).

obviously, i do (or at least did) not have that dignity, nor that arrogance. moreover, the lack of recognition would not be decreasing by a refusal. sure, now we (whoever that is) could simply live with the result. but a few chose to "lament" about it, as someone with expertise says here. well, that's the nice thing with weblogs, too: one has the option to do so. and suddenly i realize i feel better than james brown.

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