transcript from a panel discussion hold by microsoft to celebrate their 25th anniversary in the year 2000: 25 years of innovation.

But what I do is like be a thorn in everybody's side saying, we shouldn't be doing what we're doing ... There's not a UI answer ... I like to say, let's take the existing desktop, treat it as Chernobyl, put it in concrete, and just let it live. It will be like DOS or CP/M, it's fine. (steve capps, worked on the finder at mac, he was in the newton group, later he joined ms)