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    <title>motz</title>
    <link>http://motz.antville.org/</link>
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    <language>ca-ES</language>
    <pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:51:19 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:date>2008-07-05T15:51:19Z</dc:date>
    <dc:language>ca-ES</dc:language>
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      <title>du landestrojaner du</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1813244/</link>
      <description>take this &lt;a title="" href="http://www.taz.de/1/politik/schwerpunkt-ueberwachung/artikel/1/csu-installiert-ihre-trojaner/"&gt;bayern&lt;/a&gt;: in den usa werfen die menschen einfach ihre maschinen weg, wegen spyware. 1 Million waren es 2005, meint ari schwartz, center for democracy and technology.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;img height="17" width="8" src="http://www.antville.org/static/motz/images/sound.jpg" border="0" /&gt; ari &lt;a href="http://motz.antville.org/files/schwartz/" title="interview 080701"&gt;schwartz&lt;/a&gt; 
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related.study: &lt;a title="" href="http://www.techzoom.net/publications/insecurity-iceberg/index.en"&gt;understanding the web browser thread&lt;/a&gt;, eth</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:41:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1813244/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-07-04T17:41:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>targeting behaviour</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1812607/</link>
      <description>when provider are binding up  with ad companies what's left? i mean they have everything, billing information ie. social engineering via facebook  sounds like old school in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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uk: phorm: bt broadband, virgin media (ntl  and telewest) and carphone warehouse (talk talk)  | see also &lt;a title="" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/mar/06/internet.privacy"&gt;guardian&lt;/a&gt;, march 08&lt;br /&gt;
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the same happens in the us: company NebuAd. provider involved: charter communications | &lt;a title="" href="http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticle&amp;amp;art_aid=82649"&gt;MediaPost&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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also jumping on the bandwagon: &lt;a title="" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/03/AR2008040304052_pf.html"&gt;front porch&lt;/a&gt;  and
&lt;blockquote&gt;... Adzilla; and Project Rialto, a "stealth company" created by Alcatel-Lucent | &lt;a title="" href="http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r20387827-Re-AntiSpyware-Coalition-Probes-Data-Pimping-Phorm-NebuAd"&gt;broadband report&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

if you love conspiracy i have heard something  for you: blame the government. they want data, they get data, we have data now anyway, we need to make money, let's do  business ...&lt;br /&gt;
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times are gone when dobleclick behaviour was punished and somehow stopped the targeting industry - for a while at least.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:22:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1812607/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-07-02T20:22:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>if you say so</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1812649/</link>
      <description>ONFi 2.0, LPDDR2, NVMHCI and UFS</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:15:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1812649/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-07-02T22:15:43Z</dc:date>
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      <title>wireless generation bingo</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1811863/</link>
      <description>remember? umts once also was called: "Unerwartete Mehreinnahmen f&amp;uuml;r Trostlose Staatskassen". &lt;br /&gt;
recall old &lt;a title="" href="http://www.3gnewsroom.com/country/index.shtml"&gt;statistics&lt;/a&gt;:  most expensive was germany: $46.1bill; the cheapest and shortest auction had  austria: 832 million euros ($618m).&lt;br /&gt;
lte estimatet costs for network provider between &amp;#8364;3 - 5bill.&lt;br /&gt;
1hz bandwidth, gerhard fettweis says, costs with umts ~&amp;#8364;1000. &lt;br /&gt;
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the auction for 700mhz actually was delayed for seven years, from 2001 to 2008 and that it is not true, that the bids were cheaper at that time, even when you take into account the economic decline of the $. it was more or less the same if you take the figures of 2001. so any lesson learned? guess not.&lt;br /&gt;
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btw don't expect 100mgbit/s wireless data tansfer in europe  earlier than 2017, you may get 35 - 50 around 2012 with lte, nowadays converted to 4g, but actually  - as an oecd report points out 

&lt;blockquote&gt;c) 3G LTE (Long Term Evolution)&lt;br /&gt;
The specification for 3G LTE, sometimes inaccurately called 4G, is based on 3G release 7 (OFDM&lt;br /&gt;
and MIMO) and will be finalised in 2007, for deployment between 2008 and 2015. It will allow rates up to&lt;br /&gt;
100 Mbps on the downlink in a 20 MHz radio channel bandwidth. | &lt;a title="" href="http://www.oecd.org/LongAbstract/0,3425,en_2649_33703_38057448_1_1_1_1,00.html"&gt;mobile multiple play: new service pricing and policy implications&lt;/a&gt;, oecd 2007&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

but the kick off meeting for the standardisation of &lt;a title="" href="http://www.3gpp.org/news/2008_04_LTE_A.htm"&gt;4,5 generation&lt;/a&gt; happened in april this year. yet all these prosper markets have actually different problems at the moment: will you pay for lte or for rice is the question jane zweig points out rightly.&lt;br /&gt;
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for her a lot what comes out of the mobile corner is nothing but d&amp;eacute;j&amp;agrave; vue.&lt;br /&gt;
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politically, internationally, the old game.  &lt;br /&gt;
wimax 802.16i, 802.16n?? where are you?&lt;br /&gt;
europe plays lte: role out between  - optimistic estimations say: 2009, more realistic 2012, 13, 14 ...</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:10:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1811863/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-30T22:10:36Z</dc:date>
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      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810700/#1811157</link>
      <description>Ich muss gestehen, dass ich diesen Rundumschlag, dass pl&amp;ouml;tzlich jeder Depp seine eigene TLD registrieren k&amp;ouml;nnen soll, nicht habe kommen sehen, obwohl ich mich durchaus ab und an mit der ICANN besch&amp;auml;ftige. Die m&amp;uuml;ssen ganz sch&amp;ouml;n viel Druck von Seiten der virtuellen Immobilienmakler bekommen haben. Sch&amp;auml;biges Gesch&amp;auml;ft, wie in der Realit&amp;auml;t.</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:07:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810700/#1811157</guid>
      <dc:creator>micro_robert</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-28T17:07:10Z</dc:date>
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      <description>nicht uninteressant: ie: wer bestimmt schreibweise? |&lt;a title="" href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/rhetorical_questions_idn_tld/"&gt;circleID&lt;/a&gt;, wieviele sprachvarianten werden f&amp;uuml;r eine site registriert werden?? (die frage stellt sich ja auch bei IDN, wenn jetzt noch gTLD dazu nimmst, explodiert das ganze dann?  &lt;br /&gt;
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ist IDN und gTLD part of the same problem?&lt;br /&gt;
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discussion 2007: "Vint says we'll be talking about that this week -- new gTLDs and IDN TLDs are the same.  We should treat them all as new TLDs.  "So the ensemble of TLDs expressed using internationalized characters needs to be treated as a whole..  this coalesces into a common expression."  (This is a point of view with which I agree.)  Vint goes on -- "I'm not sure that "translations" are a practice that we should endorse - I'd rather see proposals for new TLDs that are specific and unique."  I agree. | &lt;a title="" href="http://scrawford.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2007/6/25"&gt;susan crawford&lt;/a&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:43:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810700/#1811123</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-28T13:43:12Z</dc:date>
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      <description>Meine Ansicht, stark verk&amp;uuml;rzt: &lt;br /&gt;
Beliebige gTLDs: &amp;uuml;berfl&amp;uuml;ssig, wenn nicht sogar b&amp;ouml;se&lt;br /&gt;
IDN TLDs: eher gut, wenngleich es das Netz parzellieren wird.</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:40:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810700/#1811106</guid>
      <dc:creator>micro_robert</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-28T11:40:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>tres días</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1811100/</link>
      <description>fiesta de la calle.  aber es w&amp;auml;re wohl nicht alema&amp;ntilde;a g&amp;auml;be es keine mittagsruhepause. von 13 - 15uhr. LOL</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:12:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1811100/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-28T11:12:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>"real estate of internet"</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810700/</link>
      <description>Frequently asked questions on the process
&lt;blockquote&gt;
1. Are you selling these new names? &lt;br /&gt;
ICANN is not "selling" new top level domain names. There will be a limited application period where any established entity from anywhere in the world can submit an application that will go through an evaluation process. It is anticipated that there will be additional rounds relatively soon after the close of the first application round.&lt;br /&gt;
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2. What's to stop others registering my brand name? &lt;br /&gt;
Trademarks will not be automatically reserved. But there will be an objection-based mechanism for trademark owners where their arguments for protection will be considered.&lt;br /&gt;
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3. How did this proposal get developed? &lt;br /&gt;
ICANN has a multi-stakeholder policy development process that served as the foundation for the process design. It involved consultation with domain name industry, trade mark attorneys, the business sector, users, governments and technicians. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. How will offensive names be prevented? &lt;br /&gt;
Offensive names will be subject to an objection-based process based on public morality and order. This process will be conducted by an international arbitration body utilizing criteria drawing on provisions in a number of international treaties. ICANN will not be the decision maker on these objections. &lt;br /&gt;
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5. When will all this happen? &lt;br /&gt;
ICANN is working towards accepting the first applications in the second quarter of 2009 | &lt;a title="" href="http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-26jun08-en.htm"&gt;icann announcement&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

also &lt;a title="" href="http://futurezone.orf.at/it/stories/288689/"&gt;fuzo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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what i don't get, why don't people use the left side for their variations but insist on the .right?&lt;br /&gt;
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at least one argues in that direction on an old icann &lt;a title="" href="http://blog.icann.org/?p=183#more-183"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; entry, august 2007.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:23:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810700/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-27T07:23:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>trusty</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810524/</link>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Physical Unclonable Functions&lt;br /&gt;
Trusted-Trustworthy-Proof &lt;br /&gt;
End-to-End Trust| &lt;a title="" href="http://www.tc-conference.com/"&gt;future of trust&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

what a wording.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:14:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810524/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-26T16:14:30Z</dc:date>
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      <title>¿.berlin?</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810420/</link>
      <description>i guess the idea to &lt;a title="" href="http://www.icann.org/topics/new-gtld-program.htm"&gt;open up&lt;/a&gt; generic top level domains to companies and cities will yet lead to even more dependency on search. no more guessing;  hyphen land will still exist.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Applications for one of these domain names would cost anywhere from about $39,000 to $390,000. In the event competing groups bid on the same name, the domain would be auctioned off by ICANN. | &lt;a title="" href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/22/business/net23.php"&gt;the race is on&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

who actually uses and pays for  .jobs, .museum, .name?</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:25:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1810420/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-26T10:25:41Z</dc:date>
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      <title>sailing</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1809455/</link>
      <description>actually is really nice. just some green and blue hematomas, due to  - at least for me -  sportive sailing. yet it  also left a taste of camping, as my bias afflicted soul would call it, at least if you don't stay out of harbour. as our "chef" hissed  the flag upside down  - a german boat - out of necessity as the cord on one side was thinner than the other and he didn't want to loose it due to strong wind and stormy weather-   we got some bad remarks form real earnest germans while leaving.  one  shouted,  as he watched us sailing into the rain, if we are from bolivia? &amp;auml;h yes why? yellow (some say gold)-red-black  versus red-yellow-green??  it was too late to ask. then another one at sea felt like leaving a remark while shouting if we sail to rio, carneval or something like that; after considering all variations we weren't really sure. anyhow, waterpolice greeted nicely ...</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:36:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1809455/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-23T20:36:47Z</dc:date>
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      <title>order and control</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1807972/</link>
      <description>having heard a french delegation on copyright issues in &lt;a title="" href="http://www.cisac.org/CisacPortal/listeArticle.do?numArticle=660&amp;amp;method=afficherArticleInPortlet"&gt;2007&lt;/a&gt; in brussels i don't wonder too much. at the time they got a lot of critizism and some figures turned silent at their panel as they realized it would be fruitless to go on with their call for  sanctions in front of that audience. now they &lt;a title="" href="http://futurezone.orf.at/it/stories/286556/"&gt;made it&lt;/a&gt; by using  the other door. one could guess what will happen 2009 when &lt;a title="" href="http://futurezone.orf.at/it/stories/286699/"&gt;sweden&lt;/a&gt; takes over ...</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:29:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1807972/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-19T11:29:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>intelligence</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1807550/</link>
      <description>having a body affects intelligence? | &lt;a title="" href="http://www.ifi.uzh.ch/groups/ailab/"&gt;rolf pfeifer&lt;/a&gt; and josh bongard &lt;br /&gt;
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thought that its these heuristic approach that caused ai a lot of  problems and fault predictions ...&lt;br /&gt;
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robot invasion: every week in my mailbox. kind of inflationary  these days.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:37:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1807550/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-18T09:37:55Z</dc:date>
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      <title>a little bit open</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1806745/</link>
      <description>it seems springer doesn't know if they wanna be open or not, so they open a little bit their computer science reading room. this time  for one month only: ie &lt;a title="" href="http://www.springer.com/computer/reading+room+welcome?SGWID=0-149902-0-0-0&amp;amp;cm_mmc=AD-_-enews-_-MCS1852-_-0"&gt;50years of ai&lt;/a&gt;, machine learning, data mining and knowledge discovery. registration necessary, but for some texts worthwhile.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:11:57 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1806745/</guid>
      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-16T13:11:57Z</dc:date>
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      <description>man bem&amp;uuml;ht sich gerade wieder darum. das ist ja das eigentlich spannende an isosi</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:17:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-11T22:17:32Z</dc:date>
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      <description>mythos standard. das internet ist auch nich iso-osi-konform. ois isi.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:12:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1805169/#1805198</guid>
      <dc:creator>tobi</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-11T22:12:05Z</dc:date>
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      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1805169/#1805185</link>
      <description>mir ist nur nicht ganz klar warum so: warum die iso bem&amp;uuml;hen, wenn man es de facto durchbekommt?&lt;br /&gt;
- die europ&amp;auml;er mit ihrer standardisierungsart in den boden stampfen?&lt;br /&gt;
- rache nach br&amp;uuml;ssel tragen? dazu gibt es eine interessante auslegung bez&amp;uuml;glich konsequenz:  ein im gerichtssaal beschlossener standard f&amp;uuml;hre dazu, dass nichts mehr, nie und nimmer daran ver&amp;auml;ndert werden kann. und wenn doch, zum guten oder schlechten, ist es einklagbar. vom hansi und vom mayer. - auch wenn keiner weiss, was da drinn steht. k&amp;ouml;nnte man fast mit einem  non-discloser agreement verwechseln.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:41:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-11T21:41:13Z</dc:date>
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      <description>so macht man das.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:27:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1805169/#1805180</guid>
      <dc:creator>micro_robert</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-11T21:27:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>what's the play here</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1805169/</link>
      <description>it seems to be a general rule at iso that
&lt;blockquote&gt;While under appeal, an ISO/IEC document cannot be published as a standard. The process will take several months, according to ISO. | &lt;a title="" href="http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/46439-1.html?topic=&amp;amp;CMP=OTC-RSS"&gt;gcn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

the answer of ms: download it from our site | &lt;a title="" href="http://futurezone.orf.at/hardcore/stories/284645/"&gt;fuzo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
the more i look into standards the more i am fascinated with that game. i fear one quote is real: these things are here to stay, and in an technological age this kind of politics is gaining momentum.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:05:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>motzes</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2008-06-11T21:05:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>gutes altes nachdenken</title>
      <link>http://motz.antville.org/stories/1803897/</link>
      <description>es hat spass gemacht. oswald wieners gru&amp;szlig; an die geschichte  war sein outfit: wei&amp;szlig;e leinenhose, beiges leiberl, wei&amp;szlig;e hosentr&amp;auml;ger, zitronenglasurgelbe jacke. so in etwa sei  er bereits vor 40 jahren dort gestanden; zur selben zeit am selben ort, im h&amp;ouml;rsaal 1, im nig. &lt;br /&gt;
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sein vortrag setzte dort an, wo er vor 40 jahren aufgeh&amp;ouml;rt hat, meint er. zwei zeichnungen von damals auf die tafel gemalt, zur illustration, wie er damals versucht hat dem geneigten publikum  finite automaten zu erkl&amp;auml;ren. es h&amp;auml;tte nicht geklappt, sie h&amp;auml;tten es nicht verstanden.      &lt;br /&gt;
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40 jahre danach, sa&amp;szlig;en ein paar grauhaarige  in den reihen - ich nehm mal an weibl und konsorten  waren auch damals dabei - und h&amp;ouml;rten zu, wie und was oswald wiener in den letzten 40 jahren  weitergedacht hat. &lt;br /&gt;
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ich mag seinen vortragsstil: ein wenig erz&amp;auml;hlt, dann wieder einen worterl&amp;auml;uterungseinschub. vom automaten bis hin zum zeichen. die braucht man um den zustand zu ver&amp;auml;ndern; strukturver&amp;auml;nderung, innere zeichen und dem weiser, der auf das weist, was man weiss und zum weiterdenken braucht, wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe.&lt;br /&gt;
dazu gereicht wurde eine ausf&amp;uuml;hrliche literaturliste. zum sp&amp;auml;ter denken.&lt;br /&gt;
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hinweis auf die &lt;a title="" href="http://visor.unibe.ch/WS00/denken/d99-5.pdf"&gt;würzburger schule&lt;/a&gt;, anfang des 20.jhdt. was piaget nicht aufgegriffen habe, sei davon in vergessenheit geraten. wiener holt sie wieder aus dem archiv. an ihrem denken erkenne man, dass sie zwar die automaten noch nicht kannten, aber trotzdem bereits in diese richtung dachten.  der weiser weist auf narziss ach [&amp;uuml;ber die willenst&amp;auml;tigkeit und das denken,1905] und  karl b&amp;uuml;hler [tatsachen und probleme zu einer psychologie der denkvog&amp;auml;nge I und II, 1907; der selbst gleich die kritik nachreicht: zur kritik der denkexperimente, 1909]&lt;br /&gt;
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das problem mit den denkexperimenten sei, so wiener, dass die fragen zu einfach gewesen seien. das habe b&amp;uuml;hler 1909 erkannt. &lt;br /&gt;
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muss noch ein wenig nachdenken, aber im grunde redete er genau &amp;uuml;ber das, was er auch &lt;a title="" href="http://motz.antville.org/stories/1802986/"&gt;angekündigt&lt;/a&gt; hat: er h&amp;auml;tte es auch einfacher formulieren k&amp;ouml;nnen, aber er wollte nicht, sagt er. denkt.  - aber bilder helfen dabei nicht immer. punto.&lt;br /&gt;
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auch auf wieners liste: donald maccrimmon mackay. rand hat zwei &lt;a title="" href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/authors/m/mackay_donald_maccrimmon.html"&gt;papers&lt;/a&gt;:"computers and comprehension" und  "linguistic and non-linguistic 'understanding' of linguistic tokens" (1964). merci bien.</description>
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      <description>das w&amp;auml;re jetzt andersrum gedacht.</description>
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      <description>Bei den Denkwerkzeugen sollten Mensch und Computer ja zusammenkommen.</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:46:31 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>nettes kleines</title>
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      <description>wenn freunde ein cafe aufmachen, f&amp;uuml;hlt man sich gleich als stammgast, und meinereiner zieht erstmal den hut. &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a title="" href="http://www.cafe-reisinger.at/"&gt;reisigner's cafe&lt;/a&gt;, salzgries 15, er&amp;ouml;ffnet gestern, von vem und adelheid. &lt;br /&gt;
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sehr sympatisch und schon der schankwein ist ein grund mal &amp;ouml;fters in den ersten zu pilgern. es wird zwei arten von k&amp;uuml;chen geben: von montag bis freitag mit koch.&lt;br /&gt;
11 - 22 uhr.</description>
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      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Was mir wichtig w&amp;auml;re, dass Sie es verst&amp;auml;nden, ist Folgendes: Ich glaube, dass unsere Verst&amp;auml;ndnisse Maschinen sind. Wenn ich etwas klar verstanden habe, dann habe ich eine Maschine in meinem Kopf gebaut, die ich laufen lassen kann, die ich manipulieren kann, der ich ihre Eigengesetzlichkeit lasse obwohl ich sie zerst&amp;ouml;ren, auseinandernehmen k&amp;ouml;nnte. Wenn ich etwa einen chemischen Vorgang verstehen will, w&amp;auml;re es unsinnig, die Maschine so umzubauen, dass sie den Tatsachen nicht mehr gerecht wird. &amp;#8211; Ich glaube, dass wir nur klar verstehen, was wir uns als Maschine denken k&amp;ouml;nnen. Das ist jedenfalls aber ganz etwas anderes als zu sagen, ich bin eine Maschine. | &lt;a title="" href="http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~hkurz/wiener/mracek.htm"&gt;oswald wiener im gespräch mit wenzel mraček&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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